Courtesy Sming Sming Books. MG: On page 104, you write: ‘Ethan held a pistol once and felt how irrelevant true or false was in the pursuit of knowledge.’ Why is that so? Helen Marten bolsters her paintings with sculptural elements while her sculptures look like paintings. PANTS: MARTEN’S OWN. Johanna Hedva Well, I’m a goth, so I’m partial to the ones who speak of death as the totalising divine. HM: When I first started writing the book, I had emerged from a madly busy period of making exhibitions and I was frustrated with the conventional retinal way of looking at things: eyes-forward-straight-ahead-right-now. Small and slight, with short blonde hair and an all-black wardrobe, the artist Helen Marten, 28, could pass for a Left Bank heroine—perhaps Jean … Allen voran Luisa und Francesca - zwei junge Frauen, die unterschiedlicher nicht sein könnten. Protest in any form visualizes conditions of precarity: in art, in language, in action, in metaphor – it’s as vitalas blood. . She then wads it with simulacra, showing the riddled possibilities of the endless associations between A and B, or even C and D and E. Ordinarily, she has done this through her sculptural and installation works. And if we’re thinking about descent, of course a downward plummet always has more velocity! Marten’s film Evian Disease plays until July 2013 at the Palais de Tokyo in Paris. They’re all like their own micro-surfaces that give and receive, are improvised, unmoored. Magazine, “There is nothing to touch, no smell, just this weird rubbery shell that at the same time is both materially dead and data-osmotic. In some ways, it is more code than text—the gender has been stripped out, and with that, a sense of the weight.” There is a startling weightlessness to much of Marten’s work, including her highly packed amalgams of objects, which seem neither improvisatory and unintentional nor permanent. Helen Marten: I suppose in immodest failure the world survives, and it might be as simple as saying that this kind of noise is the rhythm that structures all bigger ideas. Jahrhundert. I do believe that provisional absurdities can provide deeply profound interpretation. Die 30-Jährige fertigt Skulpturen aus alltäglichen Gegenständen an. Imagine people as points of civic ordinance all mostly existing within an envelope structure of ethical morality. And stupid images can be absolute. In 2011, she was awarded the Prix Lafayette and in 2012 the Prix LUMA. I do believe that provisional absurdities can provide deeply profound interpretation. In the middle of her space is the huge White Cotton is so platonic, or something, a 2D line drawing rendered in steel. People operating algorithmically: exchanging, living, dying, fucking, breathing, labouring. Ross Simonini Is there a philosophical perspective on death that feels most true to you?. Helen Highly Expands the Correlations. HM: As the Messrs. themselves suggest, they are instruments of psychic observation. Courtesy: Prototype. No, it’s not like really being there. MG: You begin in a heightened conceptual place, writing through a wider lens, before narrowing the story. The occasional clunkiness only forces the viewer to negotiate her pileups more carefully. MG: In the text, you oscillate between body, food and home, and between beauty, sex and disgust. These bigger cultural concepts – identity, economy, survival – are simply packaging for billions of smaller fractured events. What You Need to Know About Turner Prize Winner Helen Marten To be off-balance or ever en route necessarily forces a reclamation or re-articulation of a body’s relationship to the earth, to gravity, to itself. Helen Marten uses sculpture, screen printing and her own writing to produce installations that are full of references, from the contemporary to the historical, and the everyday to the enigmatic. Illustrations by Isabelle Albuquerque. She studied at the University of Guelph and Emily Carr University. Take the disarming mutant vacation sculpture No juice about it (2011): The piece consists of a grid of bamboo fencing, which is actually made of steel, on which a patchwork quilt and a lei are strung, and in front of which a clay-looking pineapple, actually fashioned from cast aluminum, is coyly humanized by wearing a pair of Oakley sunglasses. Atoms that collide at speed tend towards transformation, and how exciting is that?! Culture is not Cancelled: Creatives Share Their Inspiration. Perhaps mostly for myself to short-circuit and start afresh. Copyright © 2021 Interview Magazine. Helen Marten lives in London, UK. While you were writing, did you think first of language or plot? In this profile we explore her rise to art stardom. Interview with Helen Martin. Luisa ist klug und geschäftstüchtig, aber auch still, folgsam und feige, ein echter Hasenfuß. Helen Marten is having quite a year and, indeed, quite a career. Since the pandemic began, she had been away from her home in the UK and was living in Holland. I interviewed Marten over several days of emails. If you were to conceptualise the impulses of this book, one way might be to imagine language and plot like furious animated heads engaged in the continual process of trying to drown one another, surfacing and drowning on terrible repeat. –Helen Marten. The exhibition of works by the finalists opens today. Think how quickly something monkish becomes pornographic by association. During an interview with police, Helen Martin said she made the decision to bathe the child while her husband was out running errands, according to court documents obtained by FOX59. Of course there is politics in everything – the sonic density of history and all its semantics, its objects, its matter – it folds and survives in the smallest flecks. In 2016, she was awarded both the Hepworth Prize for Sculpture and the Turner Prize. Courtesy Sming Sming Books. Minerva the Miscarriage of the Brain, published by Sming Sming and Wolfman Books, 2020. So between those two poles, there is an enormous amount of scope for reflexive play.’. PANTS: MARTEN’S OWN. She has recently had solo exhibitions at T293 Gallery, Naples, Italy, in 2010, and Johann König, Berlin, Germany, earlier this year. Die britische Künstlerin Helen Marten erhält den renommierten britischen Turner-Preis. Münzen, Wattestäbchen und Schüsseln zu Skulpturen und Installationen: Für ihre Kunst aus Alltagsgegenständen hat die 30 Jahre alte Helen Marten den renommierten britischen Turner … Where are the lines between them? Helen Marten: Drunk Brown House at the Serpentine North Gallery brought together work never before presented in London with new work in an installation that was conceived specifically in relation to the Gallery. – suddenly figuration is in everything so profoundly and intractably. 'I like to imagine', she says, for an interview coinciding with this show, 'that there's a formula for smelling attractive and one for parking your car'. Jasmine Reimer is an artist and writer living and working in Berlin and Toronto. Seit über 25 Jahren ermittelt "Ein starkes Team" in Berlin. She then got into the bath with the child and his toys, while still wearing clothes, and allegedly held his head underwater until he drowned. Auf weitere Projekte mit dem Namen „Helena Marten“ freue ich mich jetzt schon. Artist Helen Marten, who also appears in this issue’s portfolio of London artists, spoke with Wolfson about his videos and what he’s trying to achieve somewhere in the flurry of it all.-Christopher Bollen. Helen Marten in conversation with Matias Faldbakken . In a Kaleidoscope interview that came out not long before Marten’s Dust and Pirhanas (2011) – a video piece made in response to Peter Zumthor’s 2011 Serpentine Gallery pavilion – was shown at the Serpentine in the popular Park Nights series, Hans Ulrich Obrist, another star curator to champion the young artist, noted that the first show he had seen her work in was ‘Boule to … Marten, 31, was lauded for her esoteric sculptural installations, for which she was also awarded the Hepworth Prize for sculpture last month. What is this effect in your work? https://www.interviewmagazine.com › art › london-helen-marten Thus, when Last Week Tonight employed four master actors to read excerpts from Richard Sackler’s leaked testimony, both the acting and the dialogue were better than Game of Thrones. To fall down is to forcefully reconnect, get damaged or break. Der renommierte britische Turner-Preis für moderne Kunst geht in diesem Jahr an Helen Marten. behind the scenes, I suppose they are something of all people – an audience, constructed always and forever by whomever and whenever, by time and spirit. With Modern Matter, the artist discusses this new extension of her practice, presented here alongside a selection of artworks inspired by the book – from Marten’s most recent show at Sadie Coles HQ, London – and an extract from the book itself. Not like walking around it. Crafted from wood, steel and clay, or domestic items, Marten’s output includes sculpture, videos, text, and screen-printed paintings. She is currently working on a novel. video, The Boiled in Between: In Conversation with Helen Marten, 23.10.20  |  Article by Mazzy-Mae Green; extract and image selection by Helen Marten  |  Art, culture, interview. Evian Disease, with its hyper-real imagistic juxtapositions of nature and commodity inhabiting a flattened plane, “reeks of dishonesty,” according to the artist. I feel a mutual devotion and disgust to all of these categories, but one fundamentally powered by an obsession with their abundantly shared incongruities. The Boiled in Between is the debut novel by Turner Prize-winning artist Helen Marten, an ambitious literary work full of beauty and sorrow. Helen Marten: I suppose in immodest failure the world survives, and it might be as simple as saying that this kind of noise is the rhythm that structures all bigger ideas. Der renommierte britische Turner-Preis für moderne Kunst geht in diesem Jahr an Helen Marten. “I’m Not an Assassin!”: Fran Lebowitz on Not Sleeping, Not Writing, and Not Naming Names, Elizabeth Olsen and Paul Bettany Test Their Real-Life Chemistry, Why We Could All Use a Tavi Gevinson Podcast Right About Now, Everyone, Including Fran Lebowitz, Loves Dolly Parton, Kyle Ng of Brain Dead Wants to Connect the World. Not like walking around it. They are in and of many of the things they discuss: wind, weather, animal, blood. Perhaps they might even be akin to chemical stimulant, something like the way caffeine rips you out of yourself and carries your pulse off darting in thousands of angles of pursuit and commitment! As our Critic suggests, life’s truest statements come from legal depositions, where even villains are afraid to lie. Helena Marten - ein Pseudonym des sich neu zusammengefundenen Autorinnen-Duos Bettina Querfurth und Susanne van Volxem - schreibt mit Die Porzellanmalerin über den Kampf um das weiße Gold in Deutschland im 18. Minerva the Miscarriage of the Brain, published by Sming Sming and Wolfman Books, 2020. Alluding to language, systems and intentionality, her work across all media sets out to imagine the miraculous substructure beneath the veneer of our habitual lives. I was born on 10th June 1912 in Presov. fashion, Traditional Teachers of English Grammar, 2012, by Helen Marten Someone asks her a sensible question and she answers by making a comparison between perfume and a multi-storey car park. To be off-balance or ever, HM: It will sound maddening, but I try to think. So between those two poles, there is an enormous amount of scope for reflexive play. Helen Marten lives and works in London, UK. Helen Marten wins Turner Prize | Helen Marten has been awarded this year’s Turner Prize, overcoming stiff competition in what many critics judged to be the award’s strongest shortlist in years. London (dpa) - Der renommierte britische Turner-Preis für moderne Kunst geht in diesem Jahr an Helen Marten. She studied at the University of Guelph and Emily Carr University. Das Temperament, das Luisa fehlt, hat Francesca doppelt und dreifach. Ilona “Helen” Martin Interview from 1999. Is there something about a person in descent that is inherently more interesting? Illustrations by Isabelle Albuquerque. Liebe Frau Querfurth, liebe Frau van Volxem, ich danke Ihnen – auch im Namen der Leser – von Herzn für dieses interessante Interview und den Einblick in Ihre Arbeit. They are always changing. SWEATSHIRT: TOPSHOP. Jetzt hat sie den Turner-Preis erhalten. HM: This links quite specifically to your first question – to positions of precarity. We explore the path of … Review: Helen Marten’s debut novel The Boiled in Between. Photography: Robert Glowacki. Berlin - Starke Quote für «Ein starkes Team»: Der ZDF-Krimi hat am Samstagabend ab 20.15 Uhr der Konkurrenz keine Chance Even dirt: the horizons of soil are huge! Helen Marten is a British artist based in London. The Boiled in Between is the debut novel by Turner Prize-winning artist Helen Marten, a work of fiction that will surely be acclaimed for its author’s bold and innovative geist. Interview of Helen Shiller by Jacob Martin Lingan. . They are so many things: amazed conspirators; egos adjusted; staggering ghosts; feelings; admonishments. Helen Marten is having a tremendous year, full of top prizes and successful solo shows. Even garbage is alluring because it informs us of human systems. Who are they? Maybe I’m interested in these expulsing gestures in the same way as some people might watch the World Cup as an exercise in an expanded ‘cultural studies.’ Something like an archive of melancholy or a pre-modern sensitivity that is political without being Politics, capital P. MG: The characters seem always to be falling. Impossible to quote Marten writing about sex, violence, food, age or decay without noting how much work the texture and rhythm of her prose are doing. SWEATSHIRT: TOPSHOP. Ihre Geschichte wird dabei von einer fiktiven Frauen-Person in Hosenrolle quasi als roter Faden durch den Roman getragen. A screening of her new film Dust and Piranhas was presented at the Serpentine Pavilion, London, in September as part of the gallery’s ‘Park Nights’ series. Artist Helen Marten, who also appears in this issue’s portfolio of London artists, spoke with Wolfson about his videos and what he’s trying to achieve somewhere in the flurry of it … – but what I mean is that their presence is designed to be a simultaneity: as omnipotent as the cosmos and as evidence, more and more, that simplicity doesn’t exist. Jasmine Reimer is an artist and writer living and working in Berlin and Toronto. It was a deeply pleasurable process of translation, bouncing back and forth between all the things I might claim to know about image and all those I might claim to know about language. Perhaps he is also something of a clown who rejects the morose logician, who rejects the idea that the rigid alternatives of ‘true’ and ‘false’ are relevant to the pursuit of knowledge, to life or death, or the philosophical wormhole of trying to understand a binary action with a binary answer! MG: The linguistic rhythm of the book is like dreamwork: the words are soft and elegant, distorting the frictions and unpleasantness experienced by the protagonists. fineartmultiple ™ Lesen Sie die neuesten Sammler-Interviews While the materials in Marten’s sculptures may look found, they are almost entirely created from scratch by the artist. One of the most compelling artists to emerge out of London in the past few years is 26-year-old sculptor and video artist Helen Marten. In short, perhaps Ethan recognises through all his relentless performance of misery and ridicule, that multiplicity is essential to understanding, that the form of words symbolises an indefinite number of diverse propositions. Marten’s pieces have roved from incorporating wall paper to cell phones, industrial hardware, neon light, and, of course, animation-perhaps the ultimate art form for the convergence of the unreal with the almost human. Sofia Helin and Kim Bodnia chat about The Bridge on BBC Breakfast January 2014 Art, Comments. MG: What was the process of creating a work like this? “Helen Marten: Fixed Sky Situation” was exhibited at König Galerie, Berlin, from January 12 to February 24, 2019. The Boiled in Between is the debut novel by Turner Prize-winning artist Helen Marten, an ambitious literary work full of beauty and sorrow. Georges … Forthcoming solo exhibitions include: Stedelijk Museum, Amsterdam, the Netherlands (2018); König Galerie, Berlin, Germany (2018); and Castello di Rivoli, Turin (2019). A character falling poses a paradox, a confusion of figure and field: falling as controlled comedic clatter or falling as unspooling psychological health. All Rights Reserved. Recorded on 24th November, 1999. Description; Identifier: 1991 OH 012 ; Date: 10/19/1990 ; Interviewer: Philpot, Edmond ; Interviewee: Martin, Helen ; Description: Martin discusses life during the Depression. The insects, spawning in the millions, sing loudly and die quickly. Or to mend and shrug off the blood in continuation. Helen Marten: I suppose in immodest failure the world survives, and it might be as simple as saying that this kind of noise is the rhythm that structures all bigger ideas. The result strikes, in her words, “a balance between the seamless, coldness of fabrication, and then a kind of assertive crappiness.” Marten’s object ecosystems have the visual wit of Sarah Lucas or Robert Gober—or Martin Kippenberger, one of her influences—but they hold a deeper tension in terms of the presence of the artist’s hand versus the sleek seduction of the surface. Zur 80. The world is impossibly fat and full of information. HM: I sat at a desk every day for about a year and when things didn’t pour out, I opened other books and used their words like lakes to swim in. COAT: EMPORIO ARMANI. The Housemarten 2: Helen Marten and the politics of managed depression Digital ink does not dry. Die 31-jährige Engländerin überzeugte die Jury mit The interviewer conducted this oral history as part of his/her coursework for the Spring 2010 class, Oral History: The Art of the Interview. Traditional Teachers of English Grammar, 2012, by Helen Marten In another interview (she seems to like the form), Marten talks about how walking through a … Mazzy-Mae Green: In The Boiled in Between, you read the absurdities of humanity in flecks of dislodged earth and dirt-gashed shirts. It is saturated with potential signification. Interview with Helen Martin: Coaching tips and techniques to encourage positivity By Heidi Marshall April 21, 2020 No Comments Being a n effective manager right now requires a toolkit of sophisticated set of skills and behaviours. 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